URGENT! Your opinions needed so we can launch Patch 180!

[BaronVonRotterdam]

Hey Guys,

We are quickly running down the list of known bugs that are keeping Patch 180 from going live. In order to proceed with the launch we need to come up with a sensible, efficient, and fun ranking system. There are multiple options available, and I'll explain the constraints, along with what we are doing now on the Patch 179 server. We urgently need your opinion in this matter. I'm going to put up several poll options, if you like what you see then vote for the one of the options. If you do not like any of the options, then post your idea. We need your feedback!

So here is how it is currently on the Patch 179 server.

We are using the standard UT2004RPG just as it comes out of the box. As you damage monsters you get experience points. This allows you to gain sometimes dozens of experience points over the course of shooting/killing a monsters. What is nice about this system is that since you get points from damage, you don't have to get the final blow on a monster to get points. We are also using an infinite ranking system based on a 3% increase per level after rank 28. This is why the current level 300 players need over 1 million points to level up. Each time you level up it adds 3% and that is how much you need to get to the next rank. So for example if you are level 100 and you need 1139 experience points to get to level 101, then to achieve level 102 you need 1139 + 3%, or 1173 experience points. Then to get to level 103 you need 1208, and level 104 you need 1244....etc. As you can see the problem with this is that each time you level you need the same amount as the last time PLUS 4% more. This leads to needing an exponential amount of experience points after a while. Here is what it is like on the current 179 server right now. I ran this algorithm up to level 340.

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Level 1: 15
Level 2: 20
Level 3: 25
Level 4: 30
Level 5: 35
Level 6: 40
Level 7: 45
Level 8: 50
Level 9: 55
Level 10: 60
Level 11: 65
Level 12: 70
Level 13: 75
Level 14: 80
Level 15: 85
Level 16: 90
Level 17: 95
Level 18: 100
Level 19: 105
Level 20: 110
Level 21: 115
Level 22: 120
Level 23: 125
Level 24: 130
Level 25: 135
Level 26: 140
Level 27: 145
Level 28: 150
Level 28: 150
Level 29: 154
Level 30: 158
Level 31: 162
Level 32: 166
Level 33: 170
Level 34: 175
Level 35: 180
Level 36: 185
Level 37: 190
Level 38: 195
Level 39: 200
Level 40: 206
Level 41: 212
Level 42: 218
Level 43: 224
Level 44: 230
Level 45: 236
Level 46: 243
Level 47: 250
Level 48: 257
Level 49: 264
Level 50: 271
Level 51: 279
Level 52: 287
Level 53: 295
Level 54: 303
Level 55: 312
Level 56: 321
Level 57: 330
Level 58: 339
Level 59: 349
Level 60: 359
Level 61: 369
Level 62: 380
Level 63: 391
Level 64: 402
Level 65: 414
Level 66: 426
Level 67: 438
Level 68: 451
Level 69: 464
Level 70: 477
Level 71: 491
Level 72: 505
Level 73: 520
Level 74: 535
Level 75: 551
Level 76: 567
Level 77: 584
Level 78: 601
Level 79: 619
Level 80: 637
Level 81: 656
Level 82: 675
Level 83: 695
Level 84: 715
Level 85: 736
Level 86: 758
Level 87: 780
Level 88: 803
Level 89: 827
Level 90: 851
Level 91: 876
Level 92: 902
Level 93: 929
Level 94: 956
Level 95: 984
Level 96: 1013
Level 97: 1043
Level 98: 1074
Level 99: 1106
Level 100: 1139
Level 101: 1173
Level 102: 1208
Level 103: 1244
Level 104: 1281
Level 105: 1319
Level 106: 1358
Level 107: 1398
Level 108: 1439
Level 109: 1482
Level 110: 1526
Level 111: 1571
Level 112: 1618
Level 113: 1666
Level 114: 1715
Level 115: 1766
Level 116: 1818
Level 117: 1872
Level 118: 1928
Level 119: 1985
Level 120: 2044
Level 121: 2105
Level 122: 2168
Level 123: 2233
Level 124: 2299
Level 125: 2367
Level 126: 2438
Level 127: 2511
Level 128: 2586
Level 129: 2663
Level 130: 2742
Level 131: 2824
Level 132: 2908
Level 133: 2995
Level 134: 3084
Level 135: 3176
Level 136: 3271
Level 137: 3369
Level 138: 3470
Level 139: 3574
Level 140: 3681
Level 141: 3791
Level 142: 3904
Level 143: 4021
Level 144: 4141
Level 145: 4265
Level 146: 4392
Level 147: 4523
Level 148: 4658
Level 149: 4797
Level 150: 4940
Level 151: 5088
Level 152: 5240
Level 153: 5397
Level 154: 5558
Level 155: 5724
Level 156: 5895
Level 157: 6071
Level 158: 6253
Level 159: 6440
Level 160: 6633
Level 161: 6831
Level 162: 7035
Level 163: 7246
Level 164: 7463
Level 165: 7686
Level 166: 7916
Level 167: 8153
Level 168: 8397
Level 169: 8648
Level 170: 8907
Level 171: 9174
Level 172: 9449
Level 173: 9732
Level 174: 10023
Level 175: 10323
Level 176: 10632
Level 177: 10950
Level 178: 11278
Level 179: 11616
Level 180: 11964
Level 181: 12322
Level 182: 12691
Level 183: 13071
Level 184: 13463
Level 185: 13866
Level 186: 14281
Level 187: 14709
Level 188: 15150
Level 189: 15604
Level 190: 16072
Level 191: 16554
Level 192: 17050
Level 193: 17561
Level 194: 18087
Level 195: 18629
Level 196: 19187
Level 197: 19762
Level 198: 20354
Level 199: 20964
Level 200: 21592
Level 201: 22239
Level 202: 22906
Level 203: 23593
Level 204: 24300
Level 205: 25029
Level 206: 25779
Level 207: 26552
Level 208: 27348
Level 209: 28168
Level 210: 29013
Level 211: 29883
Level 212: 30779
Level 213: 31702
Level 214: 32653
Level 215: 33632
Level 216: 34640
Level 217: 35679
Level 218: 36749
Level 219: 37851
Level 220: 38986
Level 221: 40155
Level 222: 41359
Level 223: 42599
Level 224: 43876
Level 225: 45192
Level 226: 46547
Level 227: 47943
Level 228: 49381
Level 229: 50862
Level 230: 52387
Level 231: 53958
Level 232: 55576
Level 233: 57243
Level 234: 58960
Level 235: 60728
Level 236: 62549
Level 237: 64425
Level 238: 66357
Level 239: 68347
Level 240: 70397
Level 241: 72508
Level 242: 74683
Level 243: 76923
Level 244: 79230
Level 245: 81606
Level 246: 84054
Level 247: 86575
Level 248: 89172
Level 249: 91847
Level 250: 94602
Level 251: 97440
Level 252: 100363
Level 253: 103373
Level 254: 106474
Level 255: 109668
Level 256: 112958
Level 257: 116346
Level 258: 119836
Level 259: 123431
Level 260: 127133
Level 261: 130946
Level 262: 134874
Level 263: 138920
Level 264: 143087
Level 265: 147379
Level 266: 151800
Level 267: 156354
Level 268: 161044
Level 269: 165875
Level 270: 170851
Level 271: 175976
Level 272: 181255
Level 273: 186692
Level 274: 192292
Level 275: 198060
Level 276: 204001
Level 277: 210121
Level 278: 216424
Level 279: 222916
Level 280: 229603
Level 281: 236491
Level 282: 243585
Level 283: 250892
Level 284: 258418
Level 285: 266170
Level 286: 274155
Level 287: 282379
Level 288: 290850
Level 289: 299575
Level 290: 308562
Level 291: 317818
Level 292: 327352
Level 293: 337172
Level 294: 347287
Level 295: 357705
Level 296: 368436
Level 297: 379489
Level 298: 390873
Level 299: 402599
Level 300: 414676
Level 301: 427116
Level 302: 439929
Level 303: 453126
Level 304: 466719
Level 305: 480720
Level 306: 495141
Level 307: 509995
Level 308: 525294
Level 309: 541052
Level 310: 557283
Level 311: 574001
Level 312: 591221
Level 313: 608957
Level 314: 627225
Level 315: 646041
Level 316: 665422
Level 317: 685384
Level 318: 705945
Level 319: 727123
Level 320: 748936
Level 321: 771404
Level 322: 794546
Level 323: 818382
Level 324: 842933
Level 325: 868220
Level 326: 894266
Level 327: 921093
Level 328: 948725
Level 329: 977186
Level 330: 1006501
Level 331: 1036696
Level 332: 1067796
Level 333: 1099829
Level 334: 1132823
Level 335: 1166807
Level 336: 1201811
Level 337: 1237865
Level 338: 1275000
Level 339: 1313250
Level 340: 1352647
Total xp To Reach level 340 =47834192

Basically, to reach level 341 you need one million, three-hundred fifty-two thousand, six-hundred and forty-seven xp. But from level 1 to level 340 you will have already earned forty-seven million, eight-hundred thirty-four thousand, one-hundred and ninety two xp.

So as you can see this infinite ranking system makes it take an extremely long time for a high level player to gain rank. This causes our high level players to stop playing on our server and leave, or start a new character.

We wanted to address this issue in the Patch 180 ranking system, but there are multiple options we are pursuing.

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So how do we address this issue in a sensible and fun way? Before we could answer this question we had to set down some constraints first. These constraints are:

1.) We DO NOT want to use an infinite ranking system because of the astronomical (see 47 million!) amount of points you need.
2.) We DO NOT want to preset hundreds of levels in our rpg file. It has the possibility to negatively impact performance.

Now with those two constraints in mind, here are some ideas, and the pros and cons of them:

Option 1: Keep the RPG system just like it is in Patch 179 using the infinite percentage system:

Pros: As a lower level player you get to rank up relatively easily and quickly. The monsters scale appropriately and aren't impossible to beat.
Cons: Once you become a higher level player you need an astronomical amount of xp to rank, and that will drive away veteran players.

Option 2: Keep the RPG system just like it is in Patch 179 using the infinite percentage system, but use a smaller percentage:

Pros: Same pros as option 1.
Cons: The levels will be extremely easy to rank up to a higher level, so need a way to compensate. Either we give less stat points per level, or we give less xp per kill. Also we can only use whole numbers, so we cannot go less than 1%

Here is level 1-500 on a 3% system (As it is on the Patch 179 server):

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Level 1: 15
Level 2: 20
Level 3: 25
Level 4: 30
Level 5: 35
Level 6: 40
Level 7: 45
Level 8: 50
Level 9: 55
Level 10: 60
Level 11: 65
Level 12: 70
Level 13: 75
Level 14: 80
Level 15: 85
Level 16: 90
Level 17: 95
Level 18: 100
Level 19: 105
Level 20: 110
Level 21: 115
Level 22: 120
Level 23: 125
Level 24: 130
Level 25: 135
Level 26: 140
Level 27: 145
Level 28: 150
Level 28: 150
Level 29: 154
Level 30: 158
Level 31: 162
Level 32: 166
Level 33: 170
Level 34: 175
Level 35: 180
Level 36: 185
Level 37: 190
Level 38: 195
Level 39: 200
Level 40: 206
Level 41: 212
Level 42: 218
Level 43: 224
Level 44: 230
Level 45: 236
Level 46: 243
Level 47: 250
Level 48: 257
Level 49: 264
Level 50: 271
Level 51: 279
Level 52: 287
Level 53: 295
Level 54: 303
Level 55: 312
Level 56: 321
Level 57: 330
Level 58: 339
Level 59: 349
Level 60: 359
Level 61: 369
Level 62: 380
Level 63: 391
Level 64: 402
Level 65: 414
Level 66: 426
Level 67: 438
Level 68: 451
Level 69: 464
Level 70: 477
Level 71: 491
Level 72: 505
Level 73: 520
Level 74: 535
Level 75: 551
Level 76: 567
Level 77: 584
Level 78: 601
Level 79: 619
Level 80: 637
Level 81: 656
Level 82: 675
Level 83: 695
Level 84: 715
Level 85: 736
Level 86: 758
Level 87: 780
Level 88: 803
Level 89: 827
Level 90: 851
Level 91: 876
Level 92: 902
Level 93: 929
Level 94: 956
Level 95: 984
Level 96: 1013
Level 97: 1043
Level 98: 1074
Level 99: 1106
Level 100: 1139
Level 101: 1173
Level 102: 1208
Level 103: 1244
Level 104: 1281
Level 105: 1319
Level 106: 1358
Level 107: 1398
Level 108: 1439
Level 109: 1482
Level 110: 1526
Level 111: 1571
Level 112: 1618
Level 113: 1666
Level 114: 1715
Level 115: 1766
Level 116: 1818
Level 117: 1872
Level 118: 1928
Level 119: 1985
Level 120: 2044
Level 121: 2105
Level 122: 2168
Level 123: 2233
Level 124: 2299
Level 125: 2367
Level 126: 2438
Level 127: 2511
Level 128: 2586
Level 129: 2663
Level 130: 2742
Level 131: 2824
Level 132: 2908
Level 133: 2995
Level 134: 3084
Level 135: 3176
Level 136: 3271
Level 137: 3369
Level 138: 3470
Level 139: 3574
Level 140: 3681
Level 141: 3791
Level 142: 3904
Level 143: 4021
Level 144: 4141
Level 145: 4265
Level 146: 4392
Level 147: 4523
Level 148: 4658
Level 149: 4797
Level 150: 4940
Level 151: 5088
Level 152: 5240
Level 153: 5397
Level 154: 5558
Level 155: 5724
Level 156: 5895
Level 157: 6071
Level 158: 6253
Level 159: 6440
Level 160: 6633
Level 161: 6831
Level 162: 7035
Level 163: 7246
Level 164: 7463
Level 165: 7686
Level 166: 7916
Level 167: 8153
Level 168: 8397
Level 169: 8648
Level 170: 8907
Level 171: 9174
Level 172: 9449
Level 173: 9732
Level 174: 10023
Level 175: 10323
Level 176: 10632
Level 177: 10950
Level 178: 11278
Level 179: 11616
Level 180: 11964
Level 181: 12322
Level 182: 12691
Level 183: 13071
Level 184: 13463
Level 185: 13866
Level 186: 14281
Level 187: 14709
Level 188: 15150
Level 189: 15604
Level 190: 16072
Level 191: 16554
Level 192: 17050
Level 193: 17561
Level 194: 18087
Level 195: 18629
Level 196: 19187
Level 197: 19762
Level 198: 20354
Level 199: 20964
Level 200: 21592
Level 201: 22239
Level 202: 22906
Level 203: 23593
Level 204: 24300
Level 205: 25029
Level 206: 25779
Level 207: 26552
Level 208: 27348
Level 209: 28168
Level 210: 29013
Level 211: 29883
Level 212: 30779
Level 213: 31702
Level 214: 32653
Level 215: 33632
Level 216: 34640
Level 217: 35679
Level 218: 36749
Level 219: 37851
Level 220: 38986
Level 221: 40155
Level 222: 41359
Level 223: 42599
Level 224: 43876
Level 225: 45192
Level 226: 46547
Level 227: 47943
Level 228: 49381
Level 229: 50862
Level 230: 52387
Level 231: 53958
Level 232: 55576
Level 233: 57243
Level 234: 58960
Level 235: 60728
Level 236: 62549
Level 237: 64425
Level 238: 66357
Level 239: 68347
Level 240: 70397
Level 241: 72508
Level 242: 74683
Level 243: 76923
Level 244: 79230
Level 245: 81606
Level 246: 84054
Level 247: 86575
Level 248: 89172
Level 249: 91847
Level 250: 94602
Level 251: 97440
Level 252: 100363
Level 253: 103373
Level 254: 106474
Level 255: 109668
Level 256: 112958
Level 257: 116346
Level 258: 119836
Level 259: 123431
Level 260: 127133
Level 261: 130946
Level 262: 134874
Level 263: 138920
Level 264: 143087
Level 265: 147379
Level 266: 151800
Level 267: 156354
Level 268: 161044
Level 269: 165875
Level 270: 170851
Level 271: 175976
Level 272: 181255
Level 273: 186692
Level 274: 192292
Level 275: 198060
Level 276: 204001
Level 277: 210121
Level 278: 216424
Level 279: 222916
Level 280: 229603
Level 281: 236491
Level 282: 243585
Level 283: 250892
Level 284: 258418
Level 285: 266170
Level 286: 274155
Level 287: 282379
Level 288: 290850
Level 289: 299575
Level 290: 308562
Level 291: 317818
Level 292: 327352
Level 293: 337172
Level 294: 347287
Level 295: 357705
Level 296: 368436
Level 297: 379489
Level 298: 390873
Level 299: 402599
Level 300: 414676
Level 301: 427116
Level 302: 439929
Level 303: 453126
Level 304: 466719
Level 305: 480720
Level 306: 495141
Level 307: 509995
Level 308: 525294
Level 309: 541052
Level 310: 557283
Level 311: 574001
Level 312: 591221
Level 313: 608957
Level 314: 627225
Level 315: 646041
Level 316: 665422
Level 317: 685384
Level 318: 705945
Level 319: 727123
Level 320: 748936
Level 321: 771404
Level 322: 794546
Level 323: 818382
Level 324: 842933
Level 325: 868220
Level 326: 894266
Level 327: 921093
Level 328: 948725
Level 329: 977186
Level 330: 1006501
Level 331: 1036696
Level 332: 1067796
Level 333: 1099829
Level 334: 1132823
Level 335: 1166807
Level 336: 1201811
Level 337: 1237865
Level 338: 1275000
Level 339: 1313250
Level 340: 1352647
Level 341: 1393226
Level 342: 1435022
Level 343: 1478072
Level 344: 1522414
Level 345: 1568086
Level 346: 1615128
Level 347: 1663581
Level 348: 1713488
Level 349: 1764892
Level 350: 1817838
Level 351: 1872373
Level 352: 1928544
Level 353: 1986400
Level 354: 2045992
Level 355: 2107371
Level 356: 2170592
Level 357: 2235709
Level 358: 2302780
Level 359: 2371863
Level 360: 2443018
Level 361: 2516308
Level 362: 2591797
Level 363: 2669550
Level 364: 2749636
Level 365: 2832125
Level 366: 2917088
Level 367: 3004600
Level 368: 3094738
Level 369: 3187580
Level 370: 3283207
Level 371: 3381703
Level 372: 3483154
Level 373: 3587648
Level 374: 3695277
Level 375: 3806135
Level 376: 3920319
Level 377: 4037928
Level 378: 4159065
Level 379: 4283836
Level 380: 4412351
Level 381: 4544721
Level 382: 4681062
Level 383: 4821493
Level 384: 4966137
Level 385: 5115121
Level 386: 5268574
Level 387: 5426631
Level 388: 5589429
Level 389: 5757111
Level 390: 5929824
Level 391: 6107718
Level 392: 6290949
Level 393: 6479677
Level 394: 6674067
Level 395: 6874289
Level 396: 7080517
Level 397: 7292932
Level 398: 7511719
Level 399: 7737070
Level 400: 7969182
Level 401: 8208257
Level 402: 8454504
Level 403: 8708139
Level 404: 8969383
Level 405: 9238464
Level 406: 9515617
Level 407: 9801085
Level 408: 10095117
Level 409: 10397970
Level 410: 10709909
Level 411: 11031206
Level 412: 11362142
Level 413: 11703006
Level 414: 12054096
Level 415: 12415718
Level 416: 12788189
Level 417: 13171834
Level 418: 13566989
Level 419: 13973998
Level 420: 14393217
Level 421: 14825013
Level 422: 15269763
Level 423: 15727855
Level 424: 16199690
Level 425: 16685680
Level 426: 17186250
Level 427: 17701837
Level 428: 18232892
Level 429: 18779878
Level 430: 19343274
Level 431: 19923572
Level 432: 20521279
Level 433: 21136917
Level 434: 21771024
Level 435: 22424154
Level 436: 23096878
Level 437: 23789784
Level 438: 24503477
Level 439: 25238581
Level 440: 25995738
Level 441: 26775610
Level 442: 27578878
Level 443: 28406244
Level 444: 29258431
Level 445: 30136183
Level 446: 31040268
Level 447: 31971476
Level 448: 32930620
Level 449: 33918538
Level 450: 34936094
Level 451: 35984176
Level 452: 37063701
Level 453: 38175612
Level 454: 39320880
Level 455: 40500506
Level 456: 41715521
Level 457: 42966986
Level 458: 44255995
Level 459: 45583674
Level 460: 46951184
Level 461: 48359719
Level 462: 49810510
Level 463: 51304825
Level 464: 52843969
Level 465: 54429288
Level 466: 56062166
Level 467: 57744030
Level 468: 59476350
Level 469: 61260640
Level 470: 63098459
Level 471: 64991412
Level 472: 66941154
Level 473: 68949388
Level 474: 71017869
Level 475: 73148405
Level 476: 75342857
Level 477: 77603142
Level 478: 79931236
Level 479: 82329173
Level 480: 84799048
Level 481: 87343019
Level 482: 89963309
Level 483: 92662208
Level 484: 95442074
Level 485: 98305336
Level 486: 101254496
Level 487: 104292130
Level 488: 107420893
Level 489: 110643519
Level 490: 113962824
Level 491: 117381708
Level 492: 120903159
Level 493: 124530253
Level 494: 128266160
Level 495: 132114144
Level 496: 136077568
Level 497: 140159895
Level 498: 144364691
Level 499: 148695631
Level 500: 153156499
Total xp To Reach level 500 =1121159629

You currently need over 1 BILLION xp to get to level 500!
Here is level 1-500 on a 2% system:

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Level 1: 15
Level 2: 20
Level 3: 25
Level 4: 30
Level 5: 35
Level 6: 40
Level 7: 45
Level 8: 50
Level 9: 55
Level 10: 60
Level 11: 65
Level 12: 70
Level 13: 75
Level 14: 80
Level 15: 85
Level 16: 90
Level 17: 95
Level 18: 100
Level 19: 105
Level 20: 110
Level 21: 115
Level 22: 120
Level 23: 125
Level 24: 130
Level 25: 135
Level 26: 140
Level 27: 145
Level 28: 150
Level 28: 150
Level 29: 153
Level 30: 156
Level 31: 159
Level 32: 162
Level 33: 165
Level 34: 168
Level 35: 171
Level 36: 174
Level 37: 177
Level 38: 180
Level 39: 183
Level 40: 186
Level 41: 189
Level 42: 192
Level 43: 195
Level 44: 198
Level 45: 201
Level 46: 205
Level 47: 209
Level 48: 213
Level 49: 217
Level 50: 221
Level 51: 225
Level 52: 229
Level 53: 233
Level 54: 237
Level 55: 241
Level 56: 245
Level 57: 249
Level 58: 253
Level 59: 258
Level 60: 263
Level 61: 268
Level 62: 273
Level 63: 278
Level 64: 283
Level 65: 288
Level 66: 293
Level 67: 298
Level 68: 303
Level 69: 309
Level 70: 315
Level 71: 321
Level 72: 327
Level 73: 333
Level 74: 339
Level 75: 345
Level 76: 351
Level 77: 358
Level 78: 365
Level 79: 372
Level 80: 379
Level 81: 386
Level 82: 393
Level 83: 400
Level 84: 408
Level 85: 416
Level 86: 424
Level 87: 432
Level 88: 440
Level 89: 448
Level 90: 456
Level 91: 465
Level 92: 474
Level 93: 483
Level 94: 492
Level 95: 501
Level 96: 511
Level 97: 521
Level 98: 531
Level 99: 541
Level 100: 551
Level 101: 562
Level 102: 573
Level 103: 584
Level 104: 595
Level 105: 606
Level 106: 618
Level 107: 630
Level 108: 642
Level 109: 654
Level 110: 667
Level 111: 680
Level 112: 693
Level 113: 706
Level 114: 720
Level 115: 734
Level 116: 748
Level 117: 762
Level 118: 777
Level 119: 792
Level 120: 807
Level 121: 823
Level 122: 839
Level 123: 855
Level 124: 872
Level 125: 889
Level 126: 906
Level 127: 924
Level 128: 942
Level 129: 960
Level 130: 979
Level 131: 998
Level 132: 1017
Level 133: 1037
Level 134: 1057
Level 135: 1078
Level 136: 1099
Level 137: 1120
Level 138: 1142
Level 139: 1164
Level 140: 1187
Level 141: 1210
Level 142: 1234
Level 143: 1258
Level 144: 1283
Level 145: 1308
Level 146: 1334
Level 147: 1360
Level 148: 1387
Level 149: 1414
Level 150: 1442
Level 151: 1470
Level 152: 1499
Level 153: 1528
Level 154: 1558
Level 155: 1589
Level 156: 1620
Level 157: 1652
Level 158: 1685
Level 159: 1718
Level 160: 1752
Level 161: 1787
Level 162: 1822
Level 163: 1858
Level 164: 1895
Level 165: 1932
Level 166: 1970
Level 167: 2009
Level 168: 2049
Level 169: 2089
Level 170: 2130
Level 171: 2172
Level 172: 2215
Level 173: 2259
Level 174: 2304
Level 175: 2350
Level 176: 2397
Level 177: 2444
Level 178: 2492
Level 179: 2541
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Level 493: 1262668
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Level 497: 1366751
Level 498: 1394086
Level 499: 1421967
Level 500: 1450406
Total xp To Reach level 500 =75456034

Here is level 1-500 on a 1% system:

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Level 1: 15
Level 2: 20
Level 3: 25
Level 4: 30
Level 5: 35
Level 6: 40
Level 7: 45
Level 8: 50
Level 9: 55
Level 10: 60
Level 11: 65
Level 12: 70
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Level 29: 151
Level 30: 152
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Level 438: 5565
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Level 440: 5676
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Level 442: 5789
Level 443: 5846
Level 444: 5904
Level 445: 5963
Level 446: 6022
Level 447: 6082
Level 448: 6142
Level 449: 6203
Level 450: 6265
Level 451: 6327
Level 452: 6390
Level 453: 6453
Level 454: 6517
Level 455: 6582
Level 456: 6647
Level 457: 6713
Level 458: 6780
Level 459: 6847
Level 460: 6915
Level 461: 6984
Level 462: 7053
Level 463: 7123
Level 464: 7194
Level 465: 7265
Level 466: 7337
Level 467: 7410
Level 468: 7484
Level 469: 7558
Level 470: 7633
Level 471: 7709
Level 472: 7786
Level 473: 7863
Level 474: 7941
Level 475: 8020
Level 476: 8100
Level 477: 8181
Level 478: 8262
Level 479: 8344
Level 480: 8427
Level 481: 8511
Level 482: 8596
Level 483: 8681
Level 484: 8767
Level 485: 8854
Level 486: 8942
Level 487: 9031
Level 488: 9121
Level 489: 9212
Level 490: 9304
Level 491: 9397
Level 492: 9490
Level 493: 9584
Level 494: 9679
Level 495: 9775
Level 496: 9872
Level 497: 9970
Level 498: 10069
Level 499: 10169
Level 500: 10270
Total xp To Reach level 500 =1059259

Again, we can't go any lower than this.

Option 3: Specify a large amount of levels like 1-500 without using the infinite percentage system.

Pros: Because there are so many levels you can give a fair amount of stat points per level, like 10. The monsters scale normally, and you get to rank up often. We get to control how much the increase per rank is, so if we want you to need 10,000 total xp to get from level 1-500 then we can do that.
Cons: We would need to reserve 500 lines in the RPG file on the server to do this, and that could possibly cause performance issues.

Option 4: We specify a small amount of levels like 1-45 without using the infinite percentage system.

*Constraints*: In order to achieve this we have to either limit how much xp you get per kill, or we have to scale how much xp you need per level. If we limit the amount of xp and base it off of kills then you don't get xp for damaging monsters. So if bob the level 10 noob is shooting a warlord for 10 minutes and frank the level 300 veteran with high weapon speed and damage bonus gets the final blow then bob gets no reward for all of his effort. This is terrible news for noobs as the high level players will steal all of the kills.

Pros: We aren't using the infinite percentage system anymore, we only have to use 45 lines in the RPG ini which is not bad for performance. We can specify how many points we want you to need between rank.
Cons: You rank less often, you get more stat points per level (like 100+). This is bad because the more points you get, the more you HAVE to spend on damage bonus or you cannot kill monsters. So to get around this either we have to remove the cap on damage bonus, or we have to drop the monster factor down to 0.05%.

Option 5: We use the infinite ranking system at 1% (so you'll need 1 million xp to get from level 1-500). But we decrease the amount of xp you receive per kill.

Pros: The monsters scale properly, 10 points per level, we rank every 11 levels (45 ranks).
Cons: You don't get xp for hurting monsters. BUT because the monsters scale appropriately, they will be easy enough to kill so everyone will be stealing everyones kills equally, therefore making it fair.

Here is a visual comparison of the pros of each of the options. Option 3 would be the best, however we can't flood the RPG.ini with 500 lines. So the next best option is option 5.



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So in my opinion I think the best solution is option 5. Sound off! What do you guys think? Please vote options 1-5, or Other. If you vote Other, then please post your idea below, and keep in mind the constrants I mentioned!

[Amy Infless]

We are quickly running down the list of known bugs that are keeping Patch 180 from going live.

crap. if i would have read that 1 minute earlier i wouldnt have posted the next buglist

oh well all that mathematiks blew my old brain...


so, if i see that right option 4 is like update8 at the moment?
it wasnt that bad, except for the possibilty, players do only play ssr and redeemermaps, just to
be #1 again and to "kill more than others"...

what was the plan for max. level in update8, max. level 50?
the number of kills instead of exp is very high, it would be ok if you would get a bit more than 25stat points, so players
can set a bit more in damage and health so it starts to be more fun in beeing able to kill monsters with other weapons
than ssr or deemer.
question is for that option, how much "kills/exp" would it need to become level 50, or other question,
is level 50 like levl 300 in patch179, or more supposed to be 500?

i dont like the easy to be killed monsters for everyone in option 5, it took out the thrill to run away from strong monsters
we have now. and all what is to easy and not challenging a bit will start to be boring, and i remember long time ago,
when joey said, here on this server we are not supposed to win 100% of the maps...

to be honest at the moment i cant tell which one i like... i sleep a night over it.

ats

[BaronVonRotterdam]

Thanks for replying Amy, I'll answer each question individually.

so, if i see that right option 4 is like update8 at the moment?

Correct, the experience system on the dev server right now is just like option 4.

what was the plan for max. level in update8, max. level 50?

The max level was to be level 45.

the number of kills instead of exp is very high, it would be ok if you would get a bit more than 25stat points, so players
can set a bit more in damage and health so it starts to be more fun in beeing able to kill monsters with other weapons
than ssr or deemer.

The way it is on the server is no indication of what we will end up with. Right now you are getting 25 stat points for many, many kills. This is currently just something we left as is, we are not keeping this by any means.

question is for that option, how much "kills/exp" would it need to become level 50

Using option 5, to reach level 50 you would need approximately 3876 kills. However I am in talks with joey at starting at level 50 so you get 500 stat points to start out with.

is level 50 like levl 300 in patch179, or more supposed to be 500?

Yes, in option 4, max level 45 would be like level 300 in Patch 179. And level 500 will be the same as level 330.

i dont like the easy to be killed monsters for everyone in option 5, it took out the thrill to run away from strong monsters
we have now. and all what is to easy and not challenging a bit will start to be boring, and i remember long time ago,
when joey said, here on this server we are not supposed to win 100% of the maps...

When I say the monsters will be easy I mean based on your level. They will function just like 179 monsters. Basically if you are a high level player playing alone it will be just as hard for you to kill monsters as it would be for a noob playing alone. But if a noob is playing then the monsters become the level of the lowest level player. Just like in Patch 179. The monsters will be just as hard as before, but it will be more fair now for noobs.

[shortwar]

BaronVonRotterdam

Yes, in option 4, max level 45 would be like level 300 in Patch 179. And level 500 will be the same as level 330.

Using this way of think then id say that having a max lvl of 150 would be good.So every 30 levels would equal 100 more levels in Patch 179 and Level 150 would be the same as level 500 in Patch 179.


So it would be like this

Lvl 1 = lvl 1 in patch 179

lvl 30 = lvl 100 in patch 179

lvl 60 = lvl 200 in patch 179

lvl 90 = lvl 300 in patch 179

and so on. Would something like this work? If it does not then I would say option 5 would work but I think 2% would be better then 1%.

[bananaface]

Was on the test server earlier today for the first time and I really like what you've done and impressed how much is changed/added.
So well done in that regard!
Just wish my Xan Kriegor skin worked!

I'd say keep the infinite scaling but adjust the percentage a bit so it doesn't take ages for a high level to level up.
But ofcourse don't adjust the scaling in a way that reaching level500 can be done pretty easaly.

I think when you reach 500 to easy it will drive people away aswell, cause what's left to strife for when you're there?
Also I think what will improve is that lowbies get less discouraged cause they level up slightly faster so they can get the "essential" things faster.
Finding the magical number for scaling will be the hard part, what is not too long and what is not too short to reach 500?

XP for damage should stay aswell if that is possible, else weapon speed is by miles the n1 stat to go for (it already is the best but not miles ahead).
And kill stealing is gonna cause some drama I think, cause there will always be that person that is just waiting to steal that kill (mmorpg casual pvp is a good example where that occurs frequently).

Edit and offtopic:
Just a question, is something being done about the shotty?
Currently it's rather rediculous as in damage and procs and the chance of getting one in a summon is fairly high aswell.
Would just like to see weapons be more balanced and not a you get X weapon so you'll win or score rediculously high.
I mean, 17k+ score with a shotty as level 215ish vs a level 350ish who had an AK with a score of 6k or something.
It's just to much imo.

[draegohn]

this is just a reply to banana about what he brought up with his post here.

i have always seen you in the xan character, so i am not sure what you mean by it not showing up o..o

reaching a level really isn't the main focus for most over 300 (in current 179) for playing -- they just play to play and have fun. so even if people hit the 500 cap in the next version, it would not make them stop playing likely.

as far as the combat shotgun, yes, it is the very best overall gun and a lifesaver for when monster level reaches over 230 or such, when the "type 1" monsters (amy knows what i mean by this, the kind that get the immense defense boost and can only be killed in a timely manner by vorpal) don't die. and the rapid self-healing aspect of its alt-fire on oneself to survive when vamp is not filling one up fast enough. what makes it kill the very best in high-level situation is simply that it is the ultimate vorpal effect gun along with the alt fire's lingering projectile cloud that is superpowered as it is. both primary and alt fire's lingering cloud allow for the vorpal to kick in the fastest. any wep with many projectiles at once vorpal well, like a normal mini, normal flak primary fire, mp5. so spamming that alt fire and running around will outkill just about anyone else.

there are tricks, though, to keeping up with people who use combat when monsters become super tough. first, you can focus on type 2 monsters that die to anything well regardless of their level and ignoring those you know to be type 1 monsters. monster selection is a huge part of fast strategy in this game type. the second thing is that you can use the secret instagib quality of iron sturdy and jump on the heads of any monster type and kill them. the higher the jump, the better the chance is a single stomp will one-hit. queens and titans are so easy to kill this way, but superspeed can make the stomp tactic slower because it makes you jump so high and you have to take too long to land.

essentially, while combat shotgun is hailed as the thing to get, this is still a game of skill and strategy and a successful playing experience can be had with just about any of the weapons. it is always good to make a vorpal-friendly weapon to have as a backup. i prefer a mini wop on hand at all times. this way i could use a lady, rl, mini rl, etc and clear out all type 2 stuff, then vorpal the type 1s.

love my tl;dr posts ^o^

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this is just a reply to banana about what he brought up with his post here.

i have always seen you in the xan character, so i am not sure what you mean by it not showing up o..o

reaching a level really isn't the main focus for most over 300 (in current 179) for playing -- they just play to play and have fun. so even if people hit the 500 cap in the next version, it would not make them stop playing likely.

as far as the combat shotgun, yes, it is the very best overall gun and a lifesaver for when monster level reaches over 230 or such, when the "type 1" monsters (amy knows what i mean by this, the kind that get the immense defense boost and can only be killed in a timely manner by vorpal) don't die. and the rapid self-healing aspect of its alt-fire on oneself to survive when vamp is not filling one up fast enough. what makes it kill the very best in high-level situation is simply that it is the ultimate vorpal effect gun along with the alt fire's lingering projectile cloud that is superpowered as it is. both primary and alt fire's lingering cloud allow for the vorpal to kick in the fastest. any wep with many projectiles at once vorpal well, like a normal mini, normal flak primary fire, mp5. so spamming that alt fire and running around will outkill just about anyone else.

there are tricks, though, to keeping up with people who use combat when monsters become super tough. first, you can focus on type 2 monsters that die to anything well regardless of their level and ignoring those you know to be type 1 monsters. monster selection is a huge part of fast strategy in this game type. the second thing is that you can use the secret instagib quality of iron sturdy and jump on the heads of any monster type and kill them. the higher the jump, the better the chance is a single stomp will one-hit. queens and titans are so easy to kill this way, but superspeed can make the stomp tactic slower because it makes you jump so high and you have to take too long to land.

essentially, while combat shotgun is hailed as the thing to get, this is still a game of skill and strategy and a successful playing experience can be had with just about any of the weapons. it is always good to make a vorpal-friendly weapon to have as a backup. i prefer a mini wop on hand at all times. this way i could use a lady, rl, mini rl, etc and clear out all type 2 stuff, then vorpal the type 1s.

love my tl;dr posts ^o^

Xan character aint working on the 180 testserver;) Malcolm does work, haven't bothered to get clanlord yet but I could go get him and test if he works.
Edit: just tested clanlord, it doesn't work either. Only Malcolm seems to work.

Yeah I know why the shotty is so damn good and my prio targets are always the squishy mobs (not just to whore points but they ussually are the most dangerous).
And yeah I know about the Iron jump on heads tactic, I use it a lot on mobs that take a while to kill.
You can be succesfull with any weapon but the difference in power between certain weapons is just enormous imo especially a shotty compared to any other weapon besides (e)ssr and wand.

Shotty is like having a RL shooting deemer missiles all the time with no limit to ammo and with the high amount of procs of a mini/flak/mp5/link alt fire.
Shotties only weakness is the limited range on alt fire wich is easaly overcome with a speed5 or superspeed or camping a good spawn point.
Laser is a good example of a well balanced special weapon. Low fire rate, requires skill to hit targets, doesn't vamp (as far as i've noticed or not that much) but most mobs drop in one or a few shots.

Special weapons should stay special but not special as in over the top, but thats just my opinion on this and the shotty.
I wanna "win" through the use of skill and not because I roll my face over the keyboard with a shotty.